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Rant Timing #7: Countdown to Nothing

Rant Timing #7: Countdown To Nothing

I was thinking last night. Usually this leads to insanity, but for once I was hit with some clarity. To be specific, it was about a certain 52 issue series that just wrapped up over in the DC Universe. Countdown to Something Something Yada Yada and so on.

What if instead of Countdown/Countdown to Final Crisis, we were presented with a series of miniseries, similar to how it was done with Infinite Crisis? That is, the story lines that were used at different parts of Countdown separated, as opposed to interspersed and then spliced together at the end? Instead of Dini supervising and only writing two issues, this could have opened the door for Dini to craft the overall plot and perhaps write a full miniseries as well. Also, instead of using the Countdown moniker, the miniseries would have Final Crisis in their name, followed by a subtitle. This gives a feeling of an overall brand, leading up to Final Crisis itself. Some of these could stand on their own without the Final Crisis, but that’s up to editorial. Here’s what I came up with.

Final Crisis: Mary Marvel – Black & White (6 issues miniseries) – written by Peter Tomasi with art by Doug Mahnke.

Final Crisis: Death of the New Gods (12 issues) – written and drawn by Jim Starlin (same as it was, only have the ending take place in issue 12, as opposed to Countdown #2)

Piper and Trickster: Tied at the Hip (6 issue miniseries) – written by Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Grey, art by Tom Mandrake – this one doesn’t need the Final Crisis subtitle, as it stands on its own and in my opinion, could have done without the trip to Apokalypse and back. Just a simple Rogues story, leading up to Rogues Revenge.

Final Crisis: Arena (12 issues) – written by Paul Dini and Keith Champagne, art by Scott McDaniel – This is the miniseries which would tell Dini’s overarching Monarch story. The forming of the army, the Arena battles, the attack itself, and the attempt at intervening on the part of The Monitors. This would lead into…

Final Crisis: The Great Disaster (8 issues) – written by Jeff Katz, art by Pat Oliffe – Karate Kid’s story, told nice and quick so it doesn’t have to be drawn out. It begins at the end of The Lightning Saga, and explores the Monitors, Karate Kid and Una, and Bob asks for their help to find Ray Palmer as opposed to The Challengers, leading to a dejected Ray Palmer making his way home without those who came to save him.

Final Crisis: Amazon’s Reign (6 issues) – written by Sean McKeever, art by Pete Woods – This is Amazons Attack done right. The rise and fall of the Amazons at the hands of Granny Goodness, ending with the New God killer cleaning house.

I leave out The Challengers and Jimmy Olsen because, in essence, they did not need to be there. Kyle, Donna and Jason have their own things to worry about in other titles, as is proven by the current climate of the DCU. This allows Kyle’s story to run its course properly in GL and GL: Corps without Countdown giving anything away, and for Jason to appear regularly in Batman and Nightwing looking to find a path, as opposed to adopting something new only to drop it immediately. As for Jimmy, despite those of you who feel it makes perfect sense for the best friend of Superman who other than a few transformations back in the day has no powers to all of a sudden become a power battery, I’ll pass on that. If you want to form an Olsen Bug relationship in Busiek’s Superman then by all means, but he’s staying out of the Darkseid story in my opinion.

If you’re looking to tie these together and prep everyone for Final Crisis, then release a DC Universe one-shot, which is basically DC Universe #0, only work with these stories instead. For the story of DC Universe #0, see Final Crisis: Prologue for all that material.

This my Earth 2 working of Countdown. To me it simply makes more sense to flesh out each and every story without jury rigging together a plot. Not all of these stories deserved to be in the same place at the same time, and this story was not made for a 52 issue weekly series. Here, we can pick and choose which stories we wish to read, and all is well with the world. The 52 issue weekly idea takes a year off to regain steam in the eyes of exhausted fans, to return with Trinity, as it should.

If only, right?

Comic Timing – Episode 55: DC Wrap Up 2007

It is time for DC discussion! Raph of Geeks Unite!, Brandon of the soon to return Quarter Bin Podcast, join Brent and I to discuss 2007 in a year in review. We touch on Countdown, Sinestro Corps, Amazons Attack, our favorite and not so favorite titles and creative teams, the works, so listen and enjoy!

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Rant Timing #2: The Battle of the Analogues

Battle of the Analogues

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I have a to read pile of about 35 comic books thanks to DCBS, so it takes quite a while for me to actually read certain books. I have also grown accustomed to letting certain series accumulate on the pile so that I can read multiple issues at once. One of the series I chose to do this with is Lord Havok and the Extremists, which happens to be one of 87 different Countdown titles currently being produced by DC. Now I have not been nearly as down on Countdown as some others have been. In fact, in my observations, the tie-ins are often better than Countdown itself. Just as Sean and Jim put it on Raging Bullets, you get the basics in Countdown, and if you are interested, you check out the tie-ins for more information. That does not always work, but hey, you can’t win ’em all. So I read issues 1 and 2 of Lord Havok at the same time, and it seemed quite familiar. I was looking at a dystopian version of The Marvel Universe, Registration Act and all. With characters such as Americommando and Tin-Man, they certainly were not trying to hide their true intentions.

This was far from the first time such a tactic was performed by either Marvel or DC. The “Meta-Militia” as they are called here, originally appeared as “The Champions of Angor” in Justice League of America #87, back in 1971. This was right around the same time Marvel introduced “The Squadrom Supreme” in Avengers #85. Hell, this was done as a way for the two companies to have an unoficial crossover, as both were on the stands at almost the exact same time (See Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed for more info on that)! As the years went on, each set of characters evolved, and we got what could be classified as What If? or Elseworlds versions of the opposite side’s heroes. What If Marvel’s Supervillains Destroyed The World? Superman: King of The World. All you have to do is change Angor to Earth, Extremists to The Masters of Evil, Champions of Angor to Avengers, Angor to Earth, Hyperion to Superman, and Squadron Supreme to JLA, and that is exactly what you get.

Flash forward to today, and each other’s opposite team continues to mimic the other company in new ways. The Squadron Supreme are still around, but so is the newer, hipper Supreme Power. Here, we have a world where Superman (okay, Hyperion) was not found by loving parents and raised to be a good boy. Instead, the government find him and raise him in The Truman Show. Of course, once he realizes his life is a lie, all hell breaks loose and he decides to make things better his way, or the highway. Oh, and Wonder Woman (fine, Princess Zarda) is naked a lot. And Flash (once The Whizzer, now Buzz which sounds less wrong) and Batman (Nighthawk) are black. And Green Lantern (Dr. Spectrum who I’m pretty sure is not a doctor) works for the military. Yeah, you get the picture.

The Champions of Angor are pretty much gone in the regular DCU, but The Meta-Militia are better, faster, stronger, and live on Earth-8. Iron Man (Tin-Man) is president, with Captain America (Americommando) as his VP, in a world where those who do not follow the Registration Act get killed in most horrific fashion. Of course, the villains of this world are none too pleased, and get together to screw up their hard worked plans, and it all goes horribly, horribly wrong. Oh, and the A in USA stands for Angor.

New times, same old song. It shows that Marvel and DC have drifted so very far apart over the years as well, as what was once a playful way of crossing over without crossing over is now “Let’s show how messed up the other company is!” Still, is would be quite interesting to see Supreme Power cross over with The Meta-Militia/The Extremists. Would they fight, or band together to try and control both of their worlds? Do Americommando and Hyperion have a lot more in common than you would think? The guy writing this right now thinks so. I would appreciate seeing Earth-8 get further explored past a miniseries, as Frank Tieri has my interest. Hopefully sales will warrant that. So yeah, let’s see a crossover of a different ilk for once. Sounds good to me.

How about you?

Comic Timing – Episode 42: Host Reversal

For the first time in a long time, Ian Levenstein is not the host of Comic Timing! No, I did not hand the reigns over to someone else, and no, I am not absent from this episode. We just decided to do something different. Brent Kossina hosts this episode, as Raph Soohoo and I discuss the MoCCA Festival in all its glory. Plus, we touch on the 2nd DC Teaser image for Countdown, go through a little bit of Flash #13 (slight spoilers), and we play Americas favorite game show: WHO THE HECK IS A SKRULL?!?!

This episode is barely edited as I had to pack for my glorious trip to Otakon, but when I listened to it we managed to sound pretty good, in my honest opinion. If you have any questions or comments, you can e-mail Comic Timing at comictiming@gmail.com, and please vote for us on Podcast Alley and Digg us at Digg.Com.

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Comic Timing – Episode 39: Part 2

Ready for the rest of 52? We have more than an hour and forty minutes of content here, so I certainly hope so! John Mayo and David D. are here to discuss the Everyman Project, the ending of 52, spin-offs we would and would not like to see, and we give our initial impressions on the first two issues of Countdown. It took a lot of time to get there, but we have covered 52 to the best of our ability, and I think it turned out fantastic. Big thanks to John and David for being a part of this, and I hope to get them back in the future for a Countdown episode or two.

Our next episode will feature the long awaited 22 Pages of Nova #1, with discussion of Nova #2 as well. Chris Chavez (Equinox), and Brent Kossina join me for that, so stay tuned for more great conversation!

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Comic Timing – Episode 39: Part 1

52! 52! John Mayo, David D., Countdown and 52!

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